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	<title>Comments on: OpenEd-Week 13-The Future of Open Education</title>
	<link>http://www.k12opened.com/blog/archives/50</link>
	<description>A blog for reflecting on the opportunities and challenges in open education</description>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.k12opened.com/blog/archives/50#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;"One question I have is whether all of these resources and the learning opportunities they present will at some point decrease the value of a traditional higher education degree? Especially as formal education gets even more removed from truly relevant content (critical thinking, collaborative skills, higher order thinking), will industry realize that a solid informal education and demonstration of real-world competencies outweighs a piece of paper from a university? I’d be interested in others’ thoughts on this."&lt;/strong&gt;

I completely agree, in theory.  I think that competency based skills are far more important then the piece of paper from a university; however, I think that instead of decreasing the value of the paper, universities will be forced to adapt or perish.  I graduated from a program that doesn't stress the learning of skills, but rather the learning of learning.  How to think critically, how to break tasks into subtasks and organize them properly, How to demonstrate ideas and concepts to others in a logical way; this is what made up my piece of paper.  The IST program at Penn State doesn't seek to prepare people to be "really good programmers" or "really good consultants", It prepares people to be able to think critically in the work place.  It's not a philosophy that I bought into while going through the program, but I know see how it'd benefited me on a near daily basis.  I know many others are skeptical because they say "well, what skills to the students learn" and there's no definitive answer like "php" or "sql".  You don't learn any one "thing", you learn how to process and construct all topics of a related field.  

Universities need to stop thinking that students are there to learn facts.  The internet has allowed information to pass seamlessly from one area of the world to another.  We're no longer going to college to get facts stored in textbooks that you wouldn't have learned otherwise; we are attending college to go through the process of thinking critically and then be able to apply it in the real world.  We live in an information society / economy; it's about time educators start acting like it!

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"It is essential to the future peace and prosperity of the world that learning opportunities be expanded and that we finally achieve the long-espoused goal of universal education."
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I'll agree slightly with this as well.  I unfortunately think their are some (too many) rooted in tradition and ignorance who don't care that the knowledge / thinking is out there contrary to their own beliefs.  I'm not talking religious believes or political believes;  i'm talking about denial of facts that many people in the developed world understand.  Traditions like predigest and hate, concepts preached in some cultures where the word of the elders / those in power is fact.  Places where information is regulated and the truth distorted.  It is CRITICAL that we get OER and other diverse, factual publications pushed out to the developing world to help battle the world's number one killer: ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;One question I have is whether all of these resources and the learning opportunities they present will at some point decrease the value of a traditional higher education degree? Especially as formal education gets even more removed from truly relevant content (critical thinking, collaborative skills, higher order thinking), will industry realize that a solid informal education and demonstration of real-world competencies outweighs a piece of paper from a university? I’d be interested in others’ thoughts on this.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>I completely agree, in theory.  I think that competency based skills are far more important then the piece of paper from a university; however, I think that instead of decreasing the value of the paper, universities will be forced to adapt or perish.  I graduated from a program that doesn&#8217;t stress the learning of skills, but rather the learning of learning.  How to think critically, how to break tasks into subtasks and organize them properly, How to demonstrate ideas and concepts to others in a logical way; this is what made up my piece of paper.  The IST program at Penn State doesn&#8217;t seek to prepare people to be &#8220;really good programmers&#8221; or &#8220;really good consultants&#8221;, It prepares people to be able to think critically in the work place.  It&#8217;s not a philosophy that I bought into while going through the program, but I know see how it&#8217;d benefited me on a near daily basis.  I know many others are skeptical because they say &#8220;well, what skills to the students learn&#8221; and there&#8217;s no definitive answer like &#8220;php&#8221; or &#8220;sql&#8221;.  You don&#8217;t learn any one &#8220;thing&#8221;, you learn how to process and construct all topics of a related field.  </p>
<p>Universities need to stop thinking that students are there to learn facts.  The internet has allowed information to pass seamlessly from one area of the world to another.  We&#8217;re no longer going to college to get facts stored in textbooks that you wouldn&#8217;t have learned otherwise; we are attending college to go through the process of thinking critically and then be able to apply it in the real world.  We live in an information society / economy; it&#8217;s about time educators start acting like it!</p>
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&#8220;It is essential to the future peace and prosperity of the world that learning opportunities be expanded and that we finally achieve the long-espoused goal of universal education.&#8221;<br />
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<p>I&#8217;ll agree slightly with this as well.  I unfortunately think their are some (too many) rooted in tradition and ignorance who don&#8217;t care that the knowledge / thinking is out there contrary to their own beliefs.  I&#8217;m not talking religious believes or political believes;  i&#8217;m talking about denial of facts that many people in the developed world understand.  Traditions like predigest and hate, concepts preached in some cultures where the word of the elders / those in power is fact.  Places where information is regulated and the truth distorted.  It is CRITICAL that we get OER and other diverse, factual publications pushed out to the developing world to help battle the world&#8217;s number one killer: ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: OpenEd: week 14 - Commenting on the future of Open Education at Anto&#8217;stuff</title>
		<link>http://www.k12opened.com/blog/archives/50#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>OpenEd: week 14 - Commenting on the future of Open Education at Anto&#8217;stuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.k12opened.com/blog/archives/50#comment-128</guid>
		<description>[...] Karen (on the usefulness of OER for informal learning and the possible convergence of informal and formal learning) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Elisa</title>
		<link>http://www.k12opened.com/blog/archives/50#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Elisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.k12opened.com/blog/archives/50#comment-127</guid>
		<description>I read an article in a popular cultural/scientific Italian magazine some time ago that showed that our k-12 school is so far from the real world and full of notionism that our students learn more from informal educational resources than from formal ones, ICT and Internet literacy are typical examples.This is also the reason why our school has lost its social prestige and the Italian students are generally de-motivated in their study, far from their teachers who are not recognised as educational models any more, they often feel that what they are learning is useless because it is far from reality, they just want to pass and get the diploma, considered a necessary "piece of paper" to find a job or go on to university.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an article in a popular cultural/scientific Italian magazine some time ago that showed that our k-12 school is so far from the real world and full of notionism that our students learn more from informal educational resources than from formal ones, ICT and Internet literacy are typical examples.This is also the reason why our school has lost its social prestige and the Italian students are generally de-motivated in their study, far from their teachers who are not recognised as educational models any more, they often feel that what they are learning is useless because it is far from reality, they just want to pass and get the diploma, considered a necessary &#8220;piece of paper&#8221; to find a job or go on to university.</p>
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		<title>By: Anto</title>
		<link>http://www.k12opened.com/blog/archives/50#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>Anto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.k12opened.com/blog/archives/50#comment-126</guid>
		<description>I agree with you. I too envision OER much more useful for informal learning.... until the distinction between formal and informal will be alive, as you are suggesting ;-). However, I guess we are talking about adult learning. I (and you too, I think...) don't see a "deschooling option" for K-12. On the contrary, basic schools should provide a strong "digital competence" to children... if we want adults capable to make use of all those valuable OER out there :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you. I too envision OER much more useful for informal learning&#8230;. until the distinction between formal and informal will be alive, as you are suggesting ;-). However, I guess we are talking about adult learning. I (and you too, I think&#8230;) don&#8217;t see a &#8220;deschooling option&#8221; for K-12. On the contrary, basic schools should provide a strong &#8220;digital competence&#8221; to children&#8230; if we want adults capable to make use of all those valuable OER out there :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Barton</title>
		<link>http://www.k12opened.com/blog/archives/50#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.k12opened.com/blog/archives/50#comment-125</guid>
		<description>Soon many disempowered populations will have better internet access than we have here in the states, and that won't be difficult to do, given the poor distribution we have right now.  We'll be playing catchup soon.

Teachertube looks great.  I had never seen that site before.  I'll have to spend some more time looking around there, um, after the semester is over in a couple weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soon many disempowered populations will have better internet access than we have here in the states, and that won&#8217;t be difficult to do, given the poor distribution we have right now.  We&#8217;ll be playing catchup soon.</p>
<p>Teachertube looks great.  I had never seen that site before.  I&#8217;ll have to spend some more time looking around there, um, after the semester is over in a couple weeks.</p>
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